andrew_jorgensen ([personal profile] andrew_jorgensen) wrote2004-03-05 02:08 am
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Nader polling at 6%

Hell. This will explicate the punchline.

Someone ([livejournal.com profile] lynnmonster, [livejournal.com profile] nzraya, or [livejournal.com profile] sassiwithani, obviously) needs to refresh my memory on the Great NYPIRG War of '91. I remember the figure of $51, but not whether that was what the student activity fee would be raised to, or that that was the amount the student activity fee would be raised so every one of us could kick something back into Ralph Nader's pocket. I do remember that the flyers claiming that establishing a NYPIRG office on campus would be a boon for environmental activism were printed on unrecyclable paper.

ETA: Upon reflection, I have decided that the situation in '91 was that 51 dollars was the existing student activity fee, and that it was spread out over somewhere between 100 and 150 student organizations, each receiving somewhere between 30 and 50 cents per student. The initiative to establish a NYPIRG office would have raised the student activity fee to $54, which doesn't seem to be such a great increase until one realizes that that means that NYPIRG would receive a contribution at least six times that given to any other organization.

[identity profile] cwx.livejournal.com 2004-03-04 11:32 pm (UTC)(link)
What? You mean that quaterly CalPrig donation I got conned into went to Nader somehow? #$@& that!

[identity profile] dherblay.livejournal.com 2004-03-04 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Radley Balko explains (http://www.techcentralstation.com/030303C.html). (Please excuse the TCS address. Balko is one of those anti-war libertarians I keep insisting are the true exemplars of the term.)

[identity profile] cwx.livejournal.com 2004-03-04 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know if you've noticed a theme in some of my comment-replies, but I didn't actually read any of the original links, I'm just responding to your claim in your post in and of itself. The layout I've chosen does have a rather inconspicuous color for links, but that's not that great of an excuse!

[identity profile] dherblay.livejournal.com 2004-03-05 12:15 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, that's ok. I hadn't really noticed, and would much rather talk about what I write instead of what someone else writes in any case.

Boy, it is impossible to distinguish links on your friends-page.

Anyway, to answer your question without making you go read something else (something, I might add, published by a writer I respect at a website I despise), the PIRGs are all offshoots of USPIRG, which was founded by Ralph Nader. They have a history of underhandedness in establishing campus offices -- they always attempt to make the fees mandatory and non-refundable, and if they fail, they disguise the opt-out mechanisms. Much of the student fees collected are kicked upstairs to USPIRG; how much of this goes directly to Nader I cannot say. The PIRGs are tax-free, and Ralph refused to release his Income Taxes in 2000. I'll leave you with that innuendo.

me=useless

[identity profile] nzraya.livejournal.com 2004-03-05 12:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I remember a NYPIRG scandal but all I ever knoew about it was that the PIRGs were disparaged as some kind of vast right-wing conspiracy/vested interest/evil DNC-type behemoth. What the specifics were, I couldn't say.......